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T O P I C R E V I E Waquaguy91for those of you that dont know mind blindness means assuming everyone feels/thinks the same way you do. its almost always associated with aspergers/autism, but my observations seem to indicate its pretty much a universal thing. being an aspie i will readily admit that i can be inflexible and narrowminded at times, but i see similar things in plenty of people who arent on the spectrum.I see people dictating to others how they feel all the time or assuming someone will like something because they like it. what are your thoughts? peregrinesure i think that way most of the time. What Would Sand Do. mostly it's coz i trust my reason and analytic abilities. it's when i forget things like emotions and sentiment that i get things wrong.parents do it all the time IMO.LazyscarecrowI don't think you have to have those to assume everyone else is like you. I'm the same way, but I attribute it to be too naive and idealistic...believing everybody is generally honest, forward, and deserve respect.FaithI tend to assume others are more like me than they actually are.Edit: Oh! LazyS & I posted at the same time. Ditto to what she said. PixieJaneI wouldn't call it universal, but it is common. I used to believe I was the default model of humanity myself, but I outgrew it in my mid-20s. Even before I realized how much people vary, but I figured that was based on environment and that people were the same but "different flavors" (vanilla & chocolate may taste different, but ice cream is still ice cream). For example, I knew many women liked men who spent money on them and bought them things, but as I both grew up around prostitutes (back when I was a runaway) and had guys who said I "owed" them sexual favors after they did something nice for me I got where I wanted to avoid "misunderstandings" and paid my own way, and also extended that to things like credit (and liked sayings such as the old Roman, "Borrow gold, borrow chains"), and I figured because of my background I was different that way, but it was a small if notable difference. And I saw things like astrology making a difference as well. But that aside I assumed I was of average intelligence & curiosity, and that people were hardwired to be good (though that goodness distorted by some tribalism and was also manipulated by the few who weren't benevolent, as well as by some misguided by those sociopaths trying to rally the good against the perceived evil, to lead them into fearful actions that were not good, or even evil). This was based on my own connections & sympathy to people, and that when I shared myself with trusted friends my joy increased (as did theirs) and sorrow decreased (as did theirs) whereas I felt the pain of others, and I wrongly assumed that most other people did that as well. People warned me that this wasn't the case and I just couldn't see it, I figured they'd been conned by a small minority of sociopaths wanting to control us with fear, but after a few years it sunk in that they were right. PixieJaneAnd btw, someone once posted a list of symptoms of Asperger's and a lot of that struck me as what a normal person would be like if they were socially shunned (and worse) for years because they were interested in something unpopular and considered geeky (and having unusual interests was one of the signs of Asperger's listed). somethingexcellentIt's...a thing. Not universal but not limited to aspergers and autism. You can have one without the other, both, or neither.@quamaneveryone does think like me aquad*ck somethingexcellentAn extreme example of this, shown in children up to 4 and apes we've taught sign language to, is the theory of mind.Say you show them two people in a room with a box and a basket. One person puts an object in the box and leaves the room, the other person moves the object to the basket. The first person comes back and PAUSE!We ask the test subject where the person will look for their object, the box or the basket. It's logical, to us, they will look in the box 'cause that's where they put it, right? Well, in children up to 4 and apes, we've found the insist the person will look in the basket because THEY saw the person move it. juniperb@quaman, it took you 25 posts to get a reminder !------------------We need to listen to our own song, and share it with others, but not force it on them. Our songs are different. They should be in harmony with each other. ~ Mattie StepanekYoursTrulyAlwaysAspergers does not present itself uniformly. Different people have different presentations of Aspergers.The degrees of affliction are different. The presentation of the affliction may be different. The consequences of affliction may also be different.
parents do it all the time IMO.
Edit: Oh! LazyS & I posted at the same time. Ditto to what she said.
Even before I realized how much people vary, but I figured that was based on environment and that people were the same but "different flavors" (vanilla & chocolate may taste different, but ice cream is still ice cream). For example, I knew many women liked men who spent money on them and bought them things, but as I both grew up around prostitutes (back when I was a runaway) and had guys who said I "owed" them sexual favors after they did something nice for me I got where I wanted to avoid "misunderstandings" and paid my own way, and also extended that to things like credit (and liked sayings such as the old Roman, "Borrow gold, borrow chains"), and I figured because of my background I was different that way, but it was a small if notable difference. And I saw things like astrology making a difference as well. But that aside I assumed I was of average intelligence & curiosity, and that people were hardwired to be good (though that goodness distorted by some tribalism and was also manipulated by the few who weren't benevolent, as well as by some misguided by those sociopaths trying to rally the good against the perceived evil, to lead them into fearful actions that were not good, or even evil). This was based on my own connections & sympathy to people, and that when I shared myself with trusted friends my joy increased (as did theirs) and sorrow decreased (as did theirs) whereas I felt the pain of others, and I wrongly assumed that most other people did that as well. People warned me that this wasn't the case and I just couldn't see it, I figured they'd been conned by a small minority of sociopaths wanting to control us with fear, but after a few years it sunk in that they were right.
Say you show them two people in a room with a box and a basket. One person puts an object in the box and leaves the room, the other person moves the object to the basket. The first person comes back and PAUSE!
We ask the test subject where the person will look for their object, the box or the basket. It's logical, to us, they will look in the box 'cause that's where they put it, right? Well, in children up to 4 and apes, we've found the insist the person will look in the basket because THEY saw the person move it.
------------------We need to listen to our own song, and share it with others, but not force it on them. Our songs are different. They should be in harmony with each other. ~ Mattie Stepanek
The degrees of affliction are different. The presentation of the affliction may be different. The consequences of affliction may also be different.
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